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They WANT a world where a woman is afraid that someone will find out she had an abortion years ago.
They're angry that's no longer as powerful a move when for example someone is gay/lesbian or transgender or cross-dresses.
A move towards so called "traditional values" as it's happening today - is a push for increased ostracizing, increased fear, increased misery - as long as that misery is happening to those who should - in THEIR view - have ZERO power even over our own lives.
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If you have had an abortion, do not be afraid. It's YOUR business, no-one else's business. Their values do not trump YOUR values. Stop worrying about what other people think. All that matters is what YOU think. Lots of women have abortions. So fucking what.
ReplyIf that woman is afraid, then know that that pressure is ABUSE.
ReplyThe rates of depression In women and men (but especially women) is at an all time high and has been increasing more and more over the last ten years, the more progressive everything gets.
Killing your baby won't make you happy or free.
And if you're only being LGBT because its a 'powerful move' then you need to just get over yourself and realise that nobody gives a shit what you're doing and nobody is impressed by your sexuality.
And people don't want a world where women are afraid. They just don't agree with murder.
Traditional values are better than having no values.
ReplyLots of women do not regret having abortions. If it is a pregnancy from rape, an abortion will make the woman free. Men do not get to decide whether I carry a child or not. I decide. She has NO responsibility to a child of rape and how dare anyone try to make her feel guilty when she has NOTHING to feel or be guilty about. Female body automony is a fundamental human right which trumps the rights of an unborn. It's survival of the fittest in the jungle.
Reply'Lots of women' what percentage of abortions are because of rape?
Female body autonomy would be to have the baby. An abortion is not natural.
Who said anything about men deciding?
She does have something to feel guilty about, just look up any testiomy from an ex-abortion doctor but I know you won't because it's absolutely shocking and horrific.
Females not wanting to have the baby does not trump the right of the unborn and just because you've heard people say that, doesn't make it true.
And 'in the jungle' if it were survival of the fittest, a woman would have a hard time killing her baby without also killing herself. If we're still in this primitive way you speak of, just like an animal... if a woman couldn't care for the baby she would just birth it and then kill it or eat it. But as humans we couldn't do that because once we see the little baby face we would realise it would be murder to kill it. So the reason you don't care for the unborn is just cuz its out of sight out of mind.
Don't have sex if you don't want to get pregnant. (Less than 1% of all abortions are because of rape)
ReplyThere's spontaneous abortions, so it is a natural thing.
ReplyIf a rapist gets a woman pregnant and expects the woman to give birth against her will, then is that not the man deciding? Stop romanticising pregnancy and childbirth.
ReplySo if I said its okay in the cases of rape, would you say all other abortions are wrong?
ReplyNo I wouldn't, as I believe in a woman's absolute right to abortion and full body autonomy.
ReplyWell then why are you bring up rape? It's not because you care. It's because you're trying to trap me with this extreme and rare example that you think justifies murder.
ReplyI bring up rape because rape is a real situation and theres States in the United States which do not make exceptions for rape and incest. I will not sweep this issue under the carpet. I care about those women's rights. I'm not trying to trap anyone. What a victim mindset you have.
ReplyVideos of animals being slaughtered is horrific to view but it still doesn't deter the majority of people from eating meat. Rape videos are horrific but people still view. What's your point?
ReplyI wouldnt view a rape video personally. I also wouldn't rape someone or kill someone. But that's just me
ReplyDon't have sex if you don't want to get pregnant? You do know that NO contraceptive is 100% fail safe don't you. Do YOUR homework. If the only advice you can offer to guarantee a woman doesn't get pregnant is "use protection" what about when the condom, pill, femidom, coil, implant fail? What's your answer for that exactly?
ReplyIf my values include the right to abortion and body autonomy as a human being, why does someone who values pro-life, why do THEIR values override mine. That's illogical and unfair and something to be ignored.
ReplyIf my values say its okay to kill 2 year olds.... why would someone who says no override me?
Reply(The answer is because murder is wrong)
ReplyCapital murder happen in many countries including the States. Better tell the US Government.
ReplyOkay fair enough. I correct myself, murder of the innocent is wrong.
Apologies
ReplyInnocent people have been executed in the USA and around the world and it is State sanctioned.
ReplyAnd do you think that's okay?
ReplyIt doesn't matter what I think. The Supreme Court has decided for everyone how to behave and think.
ReplyThe supreme Court has said that each individual state gets to decide on their own abortion laws.
ReplyWhich proves that abortion isn't right or wrong. It's arbitrary.
ReplyABORTION ISN'T MURDER, it doesn't matter how many times you say it is, it doesn't make it fact.
ReplyA two-year-old is an independent person with body autonomy, a foetus or embryo isn't. It's a dependant. It's like if a child lives in its parents' house, it's the parents' rules that go. Same with a woman's body. Her house, her rules.
ReplySo If I left a two year old alone. Or let's say a 2 month old alone. It would be absolutely fine without its mother without someone caring for it?
The baby has its separate heartbeat and just like the 2 month old outside the womb it is completely dependant on someone else. And yes it's your rules inside your house but you still can't kill your children.
ReplyContraception is not 100% effective. Why do you think there is contraception. Because people don't want a pregnancy. Why should they have a pregnancy when they've taken reasonable steps to ensure no pregnancy. That would mean women in particular, would be unable to risk having sex. Anyway, abortions will go underground, just like in the old days, so abortions will continue and that's Conservatives' idea of progress.
ReplyEverybody using contraception knows its not 100% effective but they decide to roll those dice. Just like not all smokers are going to die from lung cancer but they know they might but they do it anyway because they want to.
Oh no, women wouldn't have sex until they are mature and stable enough for pregnancy and adult life... sounds like a win-win to me.
ReplyWomen want to experience sex when they are young adults and men want to have sex with women when the women are young adults. It's unrealistic to think that just because a woman matures, she is suddenly going to want to keep a pregnancy. Some women NEVER want children.
ReplyWell then, the man can have a Vasectomy. The woman can have an implant. They can use condoms. The pill. And if you still get pregnant. Then why should that baby die? To say the baby is unwanted Is not a good enough reason to kill it
ReplyBut if the foetus is of rape, then it's not the woman's child as she didn't want it. She bears NO responsibility for it. It's an alien being inside her without her consent. It's in effect, a cancer which has to be removed and I would treat it in the same way.
ReplyOkay, so if I were to say to you. I think abortion is ONLY okay if the woman was raped and not okay for other reasons. Could we agree?
Because if not, then you're just using that to try to back me into a corner. Rape makes up less than 1% of abortions. And women who have been rsped and chose to have the baby in the past have said to not regret it. Some have said to regret it also, that's true. But you can always put the baby for adoption. Why should the child die?
You will suffer psychological consequences from murdering your child at some point in your life, even if you push it to the back of your mind.
ReplyNo we can't agree. I believe it's a fundamental right for a women to have a choice on pregnancy, no matter how the pregnancy comes about. How would a woman have mental health problems later if she doesn't consider abortion to be murder? Too many women put themselves secondary. Women can get many health issues from pregnancy that affect them long after childbirth. I have a right to avoid all that and no-one will tell me otherwise.
ReplyYou don't know that abortion because of rape is only 1%, A LOT of girls and women don't report that they have been rape so the number is likely a lot higher than that. Statistics are based on recored numbers, they are not completely accurate.
ReplyAnd foetus just means 'offspring' just a word to make it all sound more clinical. At least call it what it is. It's a human baby. At least be honest and just say you don't care its getting killed because the desire for a woman to have sex trumps the life of a human.
ReplyFoetus is just a biological word to describe the stage it gets to before it becomes offspring. We want to avoid that latter stage.
Reply'It's just a biological word' yes, the biology team at the big biology company first came up with it. Good job mate.
It is an old Latin word that means Offspring like I said. They chose it because most people don't know that it's an old Latin word that means Offspring I imagine. But you're only using it because you won't call it a baby
ReplyWhether it'a a baby or a foetus, it shouldn't be there in a woman if she doesn't want it.
ReplyIt wasn't put there secretly, she knows how it got there. She knows how babies are made
ReplyIf it's put there through rape, it has no right to be there morally or otherwise. If I'm careful about what I put into my body through food or medicines, why would I suddenly accept the presence of a foetus which I didn't ask for. It's too ridiculous.
ReplySo if I say it's okay to abort babies that are a result of rape. Are all other abortions wrong?
ReplyNo not all other abortions are wrong. I believe in the right to abortion, no questions asked.
ReplyThen why are you talking about rape. The overwhelming majority of abortions are just because the woman and/or doesn't want the baby. I'm saying that's not a good enough reason to kill a human
ReplyI think it is a good enough reason. It's her body. She can kill herself if she wants and no baby will be born most likely. Would that be your preference?
ReplyLots of women have taken the morning after pill to avoid an unwanted pregnancy. So what. Some women don't want children and why should they abstain from sex.
ReplyBecause sex is how children are made
ReplyThat's not realistic and not how the world works.
ReplyWelll then, if you accidentally get pregnant... its time to grow up and your life is about to change.
ReplyMorning after pill after unprotected sex will see that that doesn't happen.
ReplyAnd sex without a barrier method feels so much better. Just take the morning after pill and what's the problem.
ReplyHow would it change? One only need to go to a store on the high street or order online, some morning after pills. Job done. No baby just good sex the night before.
ReplyI'm not against contraception. I think seeking out a life of casual sex will do you know good but honestly that is your perogative
ReplyDo you *no good.
ReplyWho says anything about casual sex? This could be form a long-term marriage or other relationship.
ReplyWell if you're married you can raise the child or put it for adoption. You can raise the child not married also of course but married Is preferable
ReplySome couples never want children. That's why they use contraception. Contraception can fail. I'm risk averse, that's one reason I wouldn't ever have children and that's my right.
ReplyA marriage could end because of pregnancy. Some men do not want their wives to have children.
ReplyNot in my country. Abortion on demand.
ReplyJust because someone's values do not align with yours, doesn't mean that that person has no values. They just have DIFFERENT values to you and that's their right.
ReplyBetter for whom? Better for already Conservative types who find it easy to adhere to traditional values? Must be easy to conform to traditional values when you are a straight white male and not a gay black female.
ReplyI am not gay but I am a black female. Would being gay make me better suited to talk about keeping babies alive?
You are racist and sexist for assuming I was a white male.
ReplyI am speaking in a GENERAL sense not a particular sense. I have no idea what you are and I wouldn't presume to know.
ReplyYour race, gender and sexuality are not an excuse for your behaviour.
ReplyLet me rephrase my point so it sounds more general. Must be easy to conform to traditional values when one is a straight white male and not a gay black female.
ReplyYou're turning yourself into a victim. It might be harder for some people but that's okay, our hardships make us stronger. Straight white men really aren't out to get you. Just stop making excuses for yourself. You're so much better than that and you're just as capable of success.
ReplyMy Foster brother is a straight White man and nobody has done more to help me and protect me. I know you don't mean 'all straight white men' but then why say it. You would hate it if I said that something was because of 'black gay women' if it was something that you weren't doing yourself.
ReplyThere's no-one more that the woman, who has a vested interest in the woman's life more than the woman herself. I think she knows what's best for her, her body, her life. Other people should not presume otherwise, unless the woman expresses something to the contrary.
ReplyYOU CANNOT TAKE A WOMANS CHOICE ABOUT WHAT SHE DOES WITH HER OWN BODY AWAY FROM HER, IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT. You may not like it, you may be offended, morally opposed to it but it makes no difference, no-one can force you to have an abortion, that's your right and that is how it should be but every single woman has the right to make a choice about what goes on with her body regardless of who it upsets or offends. This is our right as humans and no-one should have the power to take it away. For those who say it is murder, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it just as those who believe it is not murder are entitled to do so, the right to choose is every womans right and the moment you take that away for one thing, the easier it is for other rights to start being stripped away. Let those who feel abortion is their only choice continue to do so and let those who find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy but don't agree with abortion, continue to raise unwanted children or pit them into an already over populated and over worked care system and add those babies to the ever growing list of children waiting to be adopted because it's not like this overpopulated world is already struggling and running out of resources or anything.
ReplyIf abortion rights are removed, then women just become a programmed robot with no autonomy. What a dystopian nightmare.
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