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People get mad when we try to point what’s wrong with the world if they don’t spare the same point of view. When I talk about the French religious ban and specifically it’s impact on Muslim women, people will get all offended and try to justify it by pointing out how certain Muslim countries force women to cover their heads. Yeah, that’s not right either and Islam even stands against for a women to be forced to do anything. But then, the French government is forcing Muslims who wear it willingly and as worship, to take it off because they don’t want “religious symbols” in their secular society. But then they say “freedom of speech and freedom of expression”. This as plainly seen is hypocritical. While this impacts all religious symbols, it doesn’t make it any better because now government is technically discriminating against all these groups. And for whatever reasons, there are specific orders for Muslim women. That they have to be over 18 to wear it and “Muslim Mothers cannot wear hijab when accompanying their children on field trips” if you don’t believe this one, please feel free to look it up. There aren’t many specific orders on religious men. In fact, just like many societies, this is just men dictating what women should wear YET AGAIN. In Islam, while men and women have different roles, they have equal rights. Of course, Islamic governments don’t seem to understand that because again, this is a misuse of religion in politics and of culture which is not religion at all. This is just like the French government misusing it’s title as a ‘secular’ society. I feel like many non-muslim women in France don’t really understand how this impacts them. Because of this ‘secular’ society laws and a discriminatory leader, for example people can’t request a doctor of a certain gender. That’s strange because choosing a doctor of a certain gender is for the comfort of the patient. It’s more likely that a female patient would prefer a doctor who is female for the same reason a male patient would prefer a male doctor. This is simply because they would feel comfortable. The leader in power seems to point this out as ‘gender discrimination’ when it really isn’t. It’s just to keep people comfortable.
Women also can’t be fully clothed on a beach in some locations, which is very bizarre.
In the end, what they are doing is not right and hurts many people in society. It marginalizes all women from wearing what they want and religious groups who wear religious clothing. It wants them to feel vulnerable and just goes to show how this all is a hypocritical government leader at work again.
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You're blending government and religion.
In the western world is gov. above religion and that is not understood by ppl come from the countries where it is otherwise. What you're blaming one party for something that another is responsible for.
ReplyFrom this post, you can see that both types of government end up doing the exact same thing as the other. They both allow one side to benefit the most and let their voices be heard while shutting down the other side. The post talks about how both sides always end up marginalizing a group of people. Just because that’s the way the world works doesn’t make it right at all. If they are going to keep the slogan “freedom of expression” than why support one sides “expression” above the others? If they want to wear their religious clothing, then let them. It is strange how both sides, the east and the west try to prove they are better than the other, they do the opposite things from one another and still end up with all these problems anyways. They end up in the same place. This is because we are all humans and humans do terrible things to each other. No side is better. And when you are talking about blaming, it is not really blaming if the post is talking about what the french government has actually done. so called “religious” governments don’t even follow their religion, they just use it as an excuse to control people. This is just how ”western” governments are using the term “secular society “ as an excuse to control people’s beliefs and do the exact same thing.
ReplyNo gov no religion is perfect, but you're looking at it completely one sided. As part of blaming GOV, freedom should depend on people themselves, since the people are not perfect you have to regulate them and theif freedom. I think you would not like to see Skin-heads with nazi symbols and SS uniforms going around. In your point of view it is also freedom of expression but it is same way illegal. Gov has regulatory power that must regulate freedom to not get into such points.
I had to put it to extrem so you migt get a glims of it. But I think so it is pointless anyway because it seems that "Islam" is simply right and western world are bastards whom you need to Islamized to become ....
Is really sad to see young ppl thinking that way. Back home they would be just quiet and not able anything but since now they could blame and hate.. so they do it while they do not treasure what they actually got. That is just because they have not understand that complete freedom is not posible with such hateful mindset of ppl.
ReplyI think I see where you are coming from. I more so meant my comment as to show how both are in the wrong. I am not going to point at the religion aspect here but rather how in both ways are the governments on both sides wrong. They are wrong in the sense that they are both completely biased. They only support one part of society and pretty much push the rest beneath that one. The laws are discriminating against people who haven’t actually committed crimes. Crimes are hurting others, crimes are doing bad things to other people. It isn’t a crime to wear any type of clothing unless it actually promotes hate. I am not saying complete freedom because that would allow people to commit crimes. I proving a point by simply asking the question “if they practice their religion peacefully and aren’t actually hurting anyone, than why are they being treated as if everything they do is wrong?”
This is discrimination against their own citizens. They are being discriminated against just from the way they look.
I understand that governments regulate society but what if they really are doing it unjustly. If someone does nothing wrong, they aren’t hurting people , they aren’t stealing, they aren’t doing anything that is a crime, why are they being discriminated against ? The people in the government are becoming aimed at discriminating against minorities. Again, I am not saying that governments should give “complete freedom” I am saying that it is being discriminatory and hypocritical to itself .
ReplyThe problem is different interpretations of religious texts, and there are variants of Islam where women get suppressed by default. Can't leave the house alone, can't be alone with men, are not allowed anything in the direction of self-expression or self-empowerment. The men have decided there to shift their weaknesses onto their women, keep them tied down to ease their own insecurities, and that is not okay.
Though in situations where the women choose to wear anything that covers their femininity, that should totally be allowed of course, in theory. Because, only thing is, how do you sort these different versions, and if you try to enforce it, how do you check it (if only for efficiencies sake)? So I'd say this is the only viable option, I'd rather see suppressed women get a little more breathing room, and on the other hand some women needing to come to terms that they should cover themselves in another way, no makeup or something usually shifts the attention of males elsewhere. That seems vastly preferred to leaving the option open for suppression to cater to women who "own" their built in limitations and try to claim their rights. In the end it would be cool if everyone could have what they want, but protecting people who are being held captive essentially, does seem a little more critical to me.
ReplyAn important thing to keep in mind is that culture is an aspect that is often mixed up with religion. If one were to really read into all of these texts, they would see that none of them promote suppressing women, especially when you find authentic scholars on these texts, not simply what one might learn from the media. Culture of every country/ region is a large factor that actually causes all these misconceptions about the religions themselves. As well, some interpretations that are out there of these texts may not always be from authentic scholars or experts on the texts . I don’t really think it’s just, that women are forced to dress a certain way in any country. If they willingly wear whatever they are wearing, than what’s the problem? When talking about separating religion from politics I think it should mean removing the religious symbols but not banning religious clothing. Clothing shouldn’t count as religious symbols because they are just clothes.
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